Translation second TV interview

Episode 1: D-I-V-O-R-C-E

Первая часть Part 1 0:00 – 3:50

What prompted you, determined you to do your first photo session?

Men from my childhood. I wanted to proof these people who used to offend me, that I’m beautiful. And it’s not important how you look as a child, after 10 years you can completely change.

You mean, an ugly duckling changing into a brilliant swan.

Absolutely. And the second factor - it was a man.

Then who was that man? Don’t worry we’ll find out later.

Did you think of yourself as a pretty girl in your childhood?

I knew I was sympathetic, but I didn’t focus on the attention.

Because for pretty girls it’s much easier at school. When learning you always get all the attention.

Yes, that is when you don’t have problems.

What problems? But Olga again continues with her next question. But don’t worry, we will soon find out

How is your relationship with your mother now?

Now, it’s good (smiles)

Was it bad?

Once we didn’t see each other.

You left home?

Yes, I went to live with father after the divorce. You know, when people separate, conflicts start. Women backfire that on their children. Then it had a strong influence on me. Once father came to me. He was divorced from mother. Then he came to me and said: Jenya, tell me, what to do. If you say, that I should stay with the family, I will stay.

What was the reason of the divorce?

He had simply fallen in love with another woman.

Jenya, but mother was in a vulnerable situation. Why did you go with your father and leave?

I didn’t go with my father, I went to him. I needed to remain in contact with father. Then there was such agony, and I offended my grandma and granddad, the parents of my mother. Mother remained silent, but I could see that I hurt her because of the contact I had with my father and that I wanted to see him. And so it happened, it was a rough time and I was just a child. I was such a categorical child. (She also described herself as ‘categorical’ in the Monroe interview.)

Ambiguous?

Yes, that is I wanted to see my father and I didn’t want to drag myself from one place to the other. That’s why I left and went to father. And, by the way, I still have nightmares. I always dream the same: I sit with father in the car and he calls me, that… And I had to cry a lot, I had a crazy attack of hysteria….I wanted when… (she doesn’t continue, she gets too emotional)

He did not try to stop you?

No, he told me that if I thought it was necessary to leave the car…

Leave

Yes. Then I was really frightened.

And you thought you had done wrong?

I thought that I had to support mother.

You had to stay with her. Feeling of guilt remained? And that guilt, it’s still there? Jenya nods It’s inside you forever…since Jenya doesn’t reply, Olga continues…After that, did you remain in contact with your mother?

Jenya signifies “No”… No, your relationship was interrupted. Meanwhile Jenya is overwhelmed by emotion and tears are starting to flow.

I guess what followed was a timeout and they skipped some of the interview. Apparently at the time of the divorce she was 13. A difficult age; old enough to understand what’s happening but not old enough to handle it.

This completes Episode 1. Next episode: a man we knew from the radio interview returns. Гражданский брак, you know.

I can tell you what I did, the ingredients I used, but do you really want to know? There wasn't any clever hi-tech software involved. I don't even know that kind of stuff exists.

Episode 2: Relations & Infidelity

Первая часть Part 1  from 3:50

Вторая часть Part 2  0:00 - 3:35

When did you start feeling like a beautiful woman? And after what you actually felt like a beautiful woman?

I really felt like a beautiful woman after my first shooting.

After your first erotic shooting.

Yes, yes, but my first shooting was erotic. Because before that I was an artist, someone who studied painting, drawing. An artist… you know…especially when they are very young, they want to distinguish themselves. And I too tried to distinguish myself in my own way.

 

You were in love.

Very much.

Even loved.

I was very much in love with a guy and I suffered a lot from him.

And how old were you then?

When we met, I was 19 years old. He had his bad habits, he loved to booze once in a while…and…

What was the age difference?

Well, he was 13 years older than me. He is, and he’s alive, thank God. And, of course, when the guy drinks, it’s very complicated. And with this guy, I spent four and half years. And all the time it was like that. And I couldn’t do anything with him. I was really angry, yes…

But he didn’t lead you towards erotic photography?

That he did as well. If he would have been a normal guy…Because when a guy is drunk, he may say to you very many foolish things, very many unnecessary things, which he couldn’t even remember the next morning. He simply had forgotten, while they remained with me. If he would have been sober while speaking to me, maybe this would never have happened: not one erotic photo session, etc. etc. Because when every time you see how his head turns to someone else’s skirt and he watches naked women in magazines, and how on internet he discusses them with his friends. And you sit next to him, you’re 19 years old and certain complexes from your childhood still remain and which you cannot get rid of, that is next to you there is a man who confirms to you everything that was imposed on you since your childhood. And then you met a man who was engaged in photography and simply offered me…I, to be honest, didn’t really believe that something could happen to me, because in the mirror all I saw was me. I didn’t see myself at all; I didn’t know who I was. But I couldn’t understand at all.

I must confess this part and the next is not exactly clear-cut to me.

And as a woman, he also didn’t open you up, this man?

No, no, closed…And until now closed. And until now I remain closed, until now after this man.

And every time you prove yourself the opposite? Well, every time watching the results of the photo sessions, you like yourself?

Yes, I like myself.

You are delighted with yourself? You understand that you are beautiful?

I’m not delighted, but I like what I’m doing.

And you keep on thinking that he might see this photograph?

No.

And when did you stop thinking about this?

Long ago, truly a long time ago.

And how much time did you think about this?

All the time, while I was with him, I thought about this. Still around half a year after we split up, I thought about this, and after that I forgot about this guy. How I forgot?  Simply banished from the heart. It was simply necessary. Other option just was not there.

  

He projected your current attitude towards men.

It seems to me that our men have already forgotten what it means to be a woman and how they should treat women. I don’t know what I want, some day I want a child, yes. But to say that I want go get married, I want a man.

You think it’s possible to raise your child by yourself?

Yes, sure. I’m not afraid of that. But, of course, I would prefer that with my child in any case there was father, a family. Knowing myself, this may not happen.

Could you forgive infidelity of man?

It depends. If my love is very strong, in me this love is boiling, such you know, where there is a crazy passion…No, I shall not. And maybe, most likely, I will cause a scandal and do something bad.

And in which case will you forgive?

In case, again, if there is a family, there is a child. If there is something to keep, retain, you understand, a past, your past, which you shared a certain part of your life. And when the man is becoming more like a friend.

Jenya, can you forgive infidelity?

(a hesitant ‘No’).

Have you’ve been unfaithful?

Yes.

To this man?

Yes.

The more the beautiful the woman is to the man, the more likely it is that the man will be unfaithful

Well, to me it seems all are unfaithful.

You think that all men are like that?

The majority.

Majority…

There are exceptions, of course, but personally I don’t know them. Personally I don’t know such exceptions, I don’t know such men. I hope that one day I will meet such a man, at least, as a friend. That is to know, that in real life I will know a man who doesn’t deceive. And I will be very happy, if I get to know such a man. For the time being I do not know them. A woman, it seems, is so arranged, even if she is next to a monster, a crazy monster, she will sit next to him till the very last, she will love him and support. She will wait until once this mask of the monster, just as in a fairy tale, is simply thrown off…

 

Вторая часть Part 2

Well, and then, in your situation with your man?

I waited precisely on this. I waited till he would cheat on me. I waited till he would change in his relation with me.

Later on, when did you learn he had been cheating on you?

I came to know about this, that he had become pregnant of another woman, a few after we had split up. We split up for another reason: we were just talking and as it happened, I opened up, I slammed the door and left…

The vessel was already overcrowded.

And left, and at that moment I didn’t know. When we met after 3 to 4 months he told me “You know…I will not mention her name…pregnant”. I said: “How many months”. He replied: “Six”. And then I in my head (imitating calculator, it wasn’t a very difficult calculation though) – calculator – I understood that it was 2 to 3 months while I was still with him; he was silent. He said nothing to me; that is he let things take their course; he simply did not have the courage. And he told me “I don’t know how to tell you…”. In situations with men I have never been afraid. I had certain moments that I was unfaithful. So I said to him: “Excuse me, but I’ve been unfaithful”.

What I wanted to ask you now: you accept that you can be unfaithful?

Yes, there was a time when I cheated on the guy. I said: “I was unfaithful, I was with another”.

 

And what was the reason for the infidelity?

The situation was horrible. I had fallen in love with a married man; we knew each other by then already half a year. And he constantly said to me: Dear Jenya, you are beautiful, you are young, you understand that you got to get married, I’m married, why do you need me, I have children. He really was a very good man, very good. This man, who never had any permanent mistresses. Now imagine: you are a woman, you are crazy in love with this man. And for you it’s the same whether he’s married or not. You don’t want to separate any one, you want to see him, even if it was just once a week. And even having sex is not necessary for me. You just want to see him, take his hand…

Platonic…

Yes…, and drink a cup of tea with him. Everything else is not important. And when such a man says to you that you have to find yourself a man, you have to find yourself a man, you have to find yourself a man; you hear this, hear this…- and this naturally begins to kill you, that is, at a certain moment starts to kill you. And I was unfaithful to him with a man, who…That’s what happened. Unfaithful.

And are you in love now?

Yes. (laughs)

That’s wonderful.

Yes, I know, that’s wonderful, because the last…

This took place recently?

A year ago we met, and all the time I more or less tried to suppress this all. And I understand that this is all in vain. And I am ashamed, because he’s married…

You continue to meet each other?

I continue, but we somehow try to reduce it to zero. This has been a year already.

But you only have a platonic relationship with him?

No, not only, not only,, but you know, this man is so dear to me and means so much, that I’m prepared for only just a platonic relationship. I don’t want him to go out of my vision. I just want to know: how is he doing. He’s the first man in my life of which I can say such a thing, because with my exes (plural…) I am not befriended.

Bit confusing those married men. She also mentioned a married man in the other interview, maybe he’s the same guy as the 2nd one mentioned here

 

This is the end of Episode 2. The next one will be a about a Spanish project, already reported by I_Love_Her. http://www.eugeniadiordiychuk.com/board/eugenia-posing-greek-architecture-book.html. It showed a few pictures shot in a studio in Kiev, with Jenya , brother Dmitri, the Spanish architect (anyone knows his name?) and friend Olga Demyanenko (the girl who made it to the БУМ final in Argentina, but was out in the first round after a disappointing performance).

Yes, she does say some strange things, and there's more to follow. In this interview she's definitely in a different mood. With Monroe it was more or less nice and cosy, I guess they knew each other. (If you run that Picasa application against your 300,000 NL pictures you should find many pictures of Monroe).

Olga's attitude is different compared to Monroe's, but overall I think she does a good and decent job. There's a You Tube comment, which seems to make some sense, "Запуталась девочка"  (according to Google "Confused girl" but when I look for the verb Запутаться in my dictionary it seems a bit more serious than just being confused).

On to the next episode.

Episode 3: I want to go home.

Вторая часть Part 2  3:35 - 8:17

Men flirt with you nicely?

….It all starts nicely, but for some reason it doesn’t end well. I once had a project, a Spanish project, we worked on it for 2 years, and everything was fine, everything was great. But then the guy, who had offered this project, he, a Spanish architect, very famous,…Then it appeared he was a crazy fan of me, but at first I didn’t know about it, that is this came to light later on. This is how this came to light: the guy started to behave differently. Because initially everything was fine. He arrived over here; we did some shooting here in the film studio Dovzhenko (Довженко), went to Spain, went to Turkey, to Troy, that is there were a great many shootings, the earnings were very good; it’s crazy when there’s nothing you have to deny yourself. And there were normal businesslike relationships. But then, he simply went through the roof.

 

How did this happen?

Well, it started to reveal itself little by little, you know. At first there was some sort of jealousy at people, at my friends, whom I have known for many years. There’s jealousy. And then this happened: we went shooting once more in Spain, and the recording failed. We had booked hotel rooms, all excellent. But he said: “Now, if the recording fails, let’s go on a trip to the islands”. I said: “Please will you excuse me, but I came here to work. I am not an escort…”

Offering services…

“I will not go with you to the islands to relax, just because you paid for it. I came here to work.” That’s what happened: the guy became furious. We were in a house, rented for the two of us in Spain, for me and my girlfriend…And he simply left, and we didn’t have any Spanish telephone numbers. And we were for 2 days in Spain: we had come and we were already supposed to fly back. No Spanish phone numbers. And on our phones the money had run out. There was no internet, nothing. And the 2 of us were in that house for 2 weeks. We had stuffed the fridge, and we were there for 2 weeks. And really, after 7 days when we opened the door and all that was left in the fridge were something like a couple of apples and a couple of bananas. And nobody would come, nobody would phone. We hadn’t left any cigarettes. It was really horrible.  Horrible... I really feel sorry for her, but it’s a strange and very contradicting story she tells. First: there’s a hotel, and then she’s in a house. First she says 2 days, and then it becomes 2 weeks…And is that friend Olga Demyanenko? I think so, although of course Olga isn’t a model. Maybe you know DJMax?

Wait a minute, but you were in a civilized environment.

We were in a civilized environment, but we didn’t have any money.

And the tickets were after 2 weeks?

And the tickets were after 2 weeks.

Wonder how they made it to the airport without any money. Like this?

No possibility to call someone and ask him to buy again, earlier?

It appeared, when we tried to call, send messages to men, to friends, that friends somehow stopped existing.

You have girlfriends?

…I sort of have girlfriends.

You believe in general in female friendship?

Oh, this is such a difficult question, complicated for me. I can answer this, probably, when I’m very old and will be on the verge of dying. Yes, my life shall be in decline, then I’m able to say: was there truly a friendship between me and a man or a woman.  Or in general, is there friendship? Because for me at the moment even, … even, the word “friendship” raises for me the big question: does it exist at all?

But you have a sense of change of notion, now, like love probably included as well, although the feeling of love is familiar to you now.  (?) You are now staying in this condition. And how many years have you been friends with this friend?

With this friend? 11.

And

…

If it’s 11, then you’re not friends anymore. You broke up? (I don’t know how she came to this conclusion. Later on, it appears she was 13 years old when her parents divorced, and 13 + 11 < 27, her current age. Btw, does anyone have a clue who this friend is?)

I thought, really, that with this person I would be friends forever. And I was convinced for 100%. But I forgot about that in this friendship there’s not just me, there’s also the other person, who can do something, can say something. She can say something wrong about you, in the company of others, intentionally or unintentionally. Out of stupidity or out of carelessness ruin your reputation. And I don’t know, this unpleasant situation simply occurs. And everything…

But, basically, the cause is men. The banal reason, probably, that you broke up.

I've finished the trranslation, so here's the remainder.

 

Episode 4: When I’m 42

Вторая часть Part 2  from 8:17

Третья часть Part 3  (from start to end)

 

What do you think of love between people of the same sex?

It’s ok.

 And love between women?

I am thinking about that right now. Really. (smiles) I think about that with men, who are around us now. Because I know, a woman is more suitable for everything: for raising a family, for communication, for education of children, yes, in general for finding a common language. She’s so – a woman – she’s different.

Men in fact pushed you in the direction of such thoughts?

Yes, just like women push men to these thoughts, that …

Between them…

Yes…

…Were relations of the same gender. (... not clear to me)

Yes, situation is such: we completely ceased to understand each other. Men and women.

Although women are blamed for having ceased to be truly interested in men.

It’s not true. There are such women, of course. There are crazy careerists. Today I’m not very interested either in how men live.

You are not interested in this?

And why should I be interested, if they are not interested. They are simply not interested in your life, or in my life, or in the life of other women. They, despite everything, they don’t care. The majority of men…how they now live, if you look (she demonstrates: drinking, sniffing, having sex. Ask Alamein for details; he seems to do these things incessantly…)

Well, we have spoiled men.

Yes, very much.

We discussed with you…they have been spoiled, because in Ukraine there are many very beautiful women.

Yes.

Maybe they have also been spoiled because they have easy access to these women?

 

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To me, you know, it seems that have no other option than to make themselves easily accessible.

There are 2 ways to reach your goal: get married or become extremely successful.

Maybe, if a man becomes interested in you. I speak of frivolous and loose women. I speak about others: about how women seek and how easily they can sleep with men.

Make use of it, take your chance.

Yes, take your chance and do it quickly. You never know.  I understand why they do this. It’s simply fear. It’s fear to stay behind alone. It’s the desire that maybe today you are lucky and everything in your life will be great, and you will get married and give birth to a childand simply…I simply do not take such bets in my life.

 

And what do you think, should men earn money? The question of earnings of men and women: who should earn more?

A man is a man, and, excuse me, I want beside me a strong shoulder at my disposal. And if he cannot provide for me and my children…I’m not saying that because of that I would love or not love, I’m saying that in principle, by nature, it should be….That is, …(? “секс то он”?), you understand, the desire passes, you’ll be friends. And then when that passion is gone, and you earn the money yourself, feed him, feed your children – that’s not right in the end.

You earn well?

Now the situation is slightly worse than it was before.

Feeling of happiness depends on whether you have or have not money in your pocket?

No, it does not. Well, during the last few years I have not strived for money really, that is I know that should I have wanted money, I would have got it.

For you it’s easy to have money?

I wanted to have honour and fame. Well, not the honour, and the fame in a certain area, is already taking root. This I have reached. I know that even if I stop filming in erotica now, I will stay forever. Forever. In 100 years I will not be here anymore, but I will exist as an erotic personage, I will have a place in the history of erotica. That’s 100%. (And this site will exist in 100 years as well?) Yes, I achieved what I wanted. Money never got me excited.

You give rise to ambiguous feelings among people. Of course mainly men and certain women admire the beauty of your body. But there is an ambiguous attitude by people who are outraged by what you do professionally. Did it happen that you met men who did not know what you do professionally?

This has happened. And I always react immediately. I always say clearly, in the first minutes of the introduction, when you see that the guy shows some crazy affection to you, and you see all that: he will propose to you a date, and flowers. This will all take place. You can see it in him. I immediately say “Dear…” He “What, dear” I say “You know how I make my living?” He says: “How?” Sometimes, when I run across tough men, whom I don’t like and I want to push them aside I say “I acted in porn films!  I acted in hardcore, with many men and only me. And I have been shooting porn already for 8 years.”

And that’s usually a convincing argument?

Yes.

Men are afraid of this?

Yes, very much so. Men are cowards. Most of them are this way. I know that, say, I could love a man, it’s immaterial to me whether he has been in jail or not. Or that he was, he was a pickpocket in the past, or something else. That is I’m not interested at all in his reputation in the past. Because I am me and he is him. I don’t care what people think of him. I chose this man. I will make sure that everyone I know respects him, even those who dissuade me and say “Jenya, what are you doing? Where are you going with him?” I will make them love him, respect him and think that he’s the best man. Let them think somewhere in the depths of their soul it’s not like that.

And you will say on your first appointment: “Dear man, you know, what I’m doing professionally?”

Yes.

And what happens next?

They ask me what, and I say that I’m doing erotica.

What is the reaction you usually get?

Well, usually they immediately want to drag me into bed, because apparently they think, that if you are photographed naked, it means that this night you want do different positions. This is what happens most of the time, really.

And how do intelligent men react?

Well, the man with whom I’m friends now, he fully approves of what I do. He’s not hypocrite; that is he likes me when he looks at me. He knew me before as model and he likes me. He says: “It’s yours. It’s wonderful”.

But he doesn’t parade your connections?

But he can’t do this, and I understand this. He shouldn’t have to. And I know this will all end soon. It must end. That’s what will happen.

(Why so pessimistic? In my humble opinion there’s another problem, she loves that married man rather than this intelligent guy)

How long, do you think, will you continue with photo shooting…

I thought…

… for erotic magazines?

I thought that at 23 I would have finished already, and …

How long would you like? We’re not even talking now about your given…

If I have the opportunity: until 40, photo shooting until 42 years. And I’ll do plastic surgery, if this is necessary. (That doesn’t look like something exciting to me. In the Monroe interview she mentions the age of 35, now it’s gone up to 42. Next interview 49? Jenya, please, don’t become another Patricia Paay)

And you truly like what you do professionally?

I enjoy myself being naked before the camera. I enjoy feeling myself 150%, 250% a free man. Yes, I enjoy this. You know, how great it is when you sit with someone who considers himself very important and asks you: “What do you do for a living?” And you answer:  “I do naked shooting.” I like this freedom. I like it, that after I started shooting erotica, I can in principle say everything I want, everything that I think, that is I already revealed myself. It’s great when you feel like a free person. It’s super!

What are your plans professionally? Your goal?

I will do erotic shooting. I will be a photographer. Maybe even do videos. I want to working in the field of erotica all my life.

 

What do you regret in your life? Regret about what, generally speaking?

I only regret one issue, which we talked about today.

About mother? About your behaviour when you were 13?

Yes, the way I behaved when I was 13, and I don’t want father to feel hurt by me. We have a great relationship now. He was a friend to me, in everything. I regret about my human, or maybe, inhuman behaviour. I don’t know how to describe this. About the behaviour of a selfish child, who at that moment couldn’t understand how painful it was for mother and that I had to stand by her. This behaviour I regret, but that’s all.

Do you have a dream?

Yes: be happy. This is my wish; this is what it’s all about.

And for you, what is this feeling of happiness?

Feeling of happiness…When you feel like an independent person, on all sides: in love, career, family, everywhere in life. Because love, in fact, not just love for a man, but simply start loving a man. The feeling of love you can carry with you constantly, every day. It’s loving the world, loving people, loving life, be optimistic. Enjoy everything there is. I even enjoy myself when I have no money, because I know, that if I want I can get it.

You just know, how you can earn money?

Yes, I know how to earn it. And I know I can do without. Because…

Are you fine?

Yes, I’m fine. I know people, who can’t do without money. I know what it is to live in a beautiful environment in your own apartment in the centre of Kiev. And I know what it is then to move out of that apartment and live in a student house with your brother. (In the Monroe interview she says that she had been living the past 5 years with her brother and sister)

You don’t go often to mundane parties. What’s the reason of this? You do not embrace this glamour, Ukrainian glamour. You are on your own. You are separated from all this. Is this a defensive reaction?

For being a well-known professional person, for that it’s not necessary to go parties and to attract attention somewhere.  Because if you do something really well, you will surely have your circle of admirers, fans, you don’t need to go every time to raise attention for yourself. So I don’t have to go, and that’s why I don’t do that.

How do you relax?

At work. You know, in a way I’m very lucky with my profession: I relax during the shooting.

But that is, in your case, because you’ve become successful. Today you pursue this, tomorrow something else, but you determine whatever you start, and all what you want to pursue professionally. Jenya, I wish you happiness, all in all, be happy. Thank you very much for the interview.

Thanks.

(Yes, thanks the both of you)